>>384054
While that might seem plausible at first, remember we were the voice of the sword, and everytime we told her not to hold such a black and white view on evil like that she twisted it around completely. Fluffy is insane.

>>384049
"What I did in the past...? People can change, you know. That should be obvious to a demon that's trying to become a hero. Perhaps we are two of a kind, you and I. Perhaps it is appropriate that you use my sword."

>>383999
"I AM the second incarnation of the Overlord, you know, since I died and come back with a different personality? We are totally different people. Now, if everyone would get that, everything would be fine. Chaos can't die, it just gets reshaped. The immoral thing I've done is enslave people to work for me, but, you know, I think that may have made a few of their lives better or no different. It's not like dictatorship or a desire for power is inherently evil. It just has a tendency to to attract evil. You know, that eye of mine you're using in the sword? IF we're going to consider me evil, you have to consider that evil as well because it's forged from an eye of chaos, possibly is from my first, more evil incarnation, and manipulating you for fun and gain. Why don't you do the first "good" thing you've ever done and let that poor girl get a goddamn snack. Eh?"

>>384088
>The immoral thing I've done is enslave people
Fuck no don't say that.

>>384089
>I think that may have made a few of their lives better or no different.
They're gonna find out anyway, and at least we can put a positive spin on it. Yes, let's not be self-aware, let's show them we're hypocrites by omitting the truth.
Hell, we can go "I only enslave those I defeat in a good battle anyway." then give it an "I'm an honorable slave master" thing. Hell, maybe the culture of this world treats it old fashioned greek slavery beyond the fact that you don't want to be on the receiving end, because back then, everyone can be a slave and everyone is on edge they could be a slave should they lose to an enemy.

>>384090
or you can just not call it ENSLAVE.

>>384008

Wait, what makes her think we're a demon, anyway? Constructs can't be demons.

>>384083
>>384094
We've already said that, why are you trying to get us to repeat ourselves?

We should point out to her that her magic sword is a powerful enough part of us that it is the old Overlord as much as we are.

>>384054
I second the wariness about us using the sword. Mind-altering artifacts tend to be dangerous.

"You are a Demon, yet you claim to be a Hero. Your argument for my destruction is that Demons never change. I'm seeing some flaws in this logic."

>>384099
Because we are one, technically. Sentient constructs can be considered Demons or Heroes. So can monsters. Fluffy here is a demon by birth who has been striving to become a hero. It's sort of like a citizenship, not creature type.

>>384116
No, it really isn't. If it were, all our minions would be unkillable in the demon realm once they swore fealty to us. Fluffy's just insane.

Anyway, "Stop me? From doing what, 'acting nice'? You are correct that nothing anyone does can change the past. However, the future is up to us. I intend to make the future a better place. Killing me would obviously prevent me from doing that. You would be making the future worse for everybody. Well, except for those tyrants I oppose, I suppose. Is that what you want?"

How about we focus on her ally now...

"look, regardless of how this turns out your poor friend is starving..." *order minions to bring her a lot of food* "even if you choose to fight me let the poor thing eat something first, she is suffering".
And then while she eats keep working on her, ideally we could recruit her.

I think we should avoid any hint of wanting to enact large scale changes, if we say we oppose tyrants she will interpret that as opposing legitimate rulers, if we say we want to create justice she will interpret that as us wanting to rule to world with our idea of justice, and so on and so fourth. we should focus on how if she can become a hero we can atone and become a force for good. We should also do something about the starvation victim in her party. she's probably going to protest/insist its a trick but if we say something like
"she is obviously suffering, I do not like to watch people in pain."
that will probably shut her up long enough for Tracey to start eating.

p.s make sure whoever gets the food understands that we are actually making a kind gesture here and not trying to covertly poison the opposition.

>>384225
I wouldn't be surprised if Tracey was immune to or even healed by poison anyways.

>>384049

"I don't even remember what I did in my past. The personality I had back then was completely annihilated by the time I was reborn. Philosophically, you are persecuting a being of crimes that his past life committed. And morally, you are accusing an innocent creature of crimes that were committed by a dead person. And you call yourselves 'heroes.' I've done more heroic deeds in the short time I've been in this incarnation than you three have done in your entire careers! What makes you think I'm a demon, anyway? I'm a construct, for crying out loud! Look at me! I had this body built for me to house what remains of my previous self, which as it turns out, is actually the 'goodest' part of me! Can you really blame me for crimes I didn't commit?

...And is 'goodest' a word?"

Then turn to your other minions.

"Does anyone know if 'goodest' is a word?"

>>384049
"That overlord is dead and gone. It would be better to think of me as his child.
If you doubt a single thing I've said, you are welcome to investigate these things yourself. However, some of them I can prove right now."

Call our ex-plaguespreader, that bloodgem kid, and our priestess.
Also, have somebody bring in food.

If we don't say, "I don't just expect you to talk, Miss Fluffy, I expect to dine!" I will be slightly disappointed.

goodest is totally a word.

>>384400
upvote this

Overlord 2012/02/06(Mon)13:45 No. 384814 ID: a9f0eb
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"Look, regardless of how this turns out your poor friend is starving..."

You have Styx prepare a quick meal.

"Even if you choose to fight me let the poor thing eat something first, she is suffering"

Fluffy stares at you, well stares as best as a thing with no eyes can stare before nodding.

>"Fine, but only for her."

You join them at a table and set the food before them. Her ally quickly starts devouring the food in front of her while Fluffy takes a piece and pulls up her clothes a bit. She presses the food against a black orb and the food begins to vanish.

>"Hmm.. This is pretty good."

"My minions are great cooks."

Her friend nods and keeps eating.

"Now I want you to understand, I don't even remember what I did in my past. The personality I had back then was completely annihilated by the time I was reborn. Philosophically, you are persecuting a being of crimes that his past life committed. And morally, you are accusing an innocent creature of crimes that were committed by a dead person"

Fluffy thinks for a moment.

>"I guess.."

"Is it normal for you to bleed like that?"

Offer to let her tag along and make sure you don't do anything evil. She can watch us, discern our intentions, train, and we can introduce her to those clerics and the angel. They'd be a great help in helping her be a Hero, and her companion seems to need nourishment, a good place to sleep, etc. Ask if she has some ailment. We're quite good at curing, treating, and alleviating diseases. Anything else?

We might want to get Kassandra over here to check on Fluffy.

Overlord 2012/02/06(Mon)13:59 No. 384818 ID: a9f0eb
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"Is it normal for you to bleed like that..?"

>"Bleed..?"

She examines the hole on her chest. Blood is pouring out of it.

>"!? You poisoned me!"

From behind you you hear Styx coughing. You turn to see her fall to the ground coughing out blood.

Tick tock tick tock tick....

The watch stops.

>>384818
Yep DEFINITELY get Kassandra in here.

get kass and solaris. jam apples where applicable and healing spells.

>>384819
>>384820
This. Right now.

Also, let's see, who would want Styx and Fluffy dead?

Suspects:
Shana
Rose
An accident
Anyone

>>384823
it's obvious tracey is making bad air. the constructs are fine but living things are getting sick.

>>384824
We don't know that in this thread. Yeah, it's probably her, but we can't know that for sure. Paranoia time!

Also healing potions.

>>384823
The kid is cursed, she causes anybody around her to randomly die.

>>384820
Seconding.

>>384818
WHAT THE HELL?!?
Potions, healers, get everyone in here who can move and have them gather those who can't!

SCAN Fluffy's new people. Maybe one of them is doing this.

>>384827
I'm aware. However, that's called out-of-character knowledge. Overlord has no reason to randomly know that.

Elephant Guy 2012/02/06(Mon)14:11 No. 384831 ID: 86fe4d
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EVERYONE GET THE FUCK IN HERE

>>384831
If we call EVERYONE in here, everyone could be affected. Let's keep it down to healers, the wounded, and constructs. Also maybe Nix, given that she's immune to everything but fire.

And Fluffy's people (specifically Tracey), now that I think of it. Don't want to let them wander off.

>>384818
Call Kass to the hall OUTSIDE the room, and then bring them out to her.
"Poison nothing, this looks like Signed magic!"
Point to the hungry one
"You! Stay here!
Organics get outside!
Constructs! Tend to the wounded!"
Have Emily keep the hungry girl company. Also, inside the room.

>>384834
This

Overlord 2012/02/06(Mon)14:20 No. 384836 ID: a9f0eb
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You Scan Fluffy's new friends while calling in Kassandra and Solaris.
----------------------------

Tracey LV 6 Cancer Mage

HP:45
ATK:0
MP:7
SPD:3

Can summon a familiar Crab.
Can cause severe illness if fed. Illness can cause those infected to become PlaugeSpreaders.


Golem (no name)
HP:112
ATK:1-60
SPD: 3 (4 when flying)

Uses a needlessly complex system in order to attack targets. Attacks strength varies.
------------------------------------------

>Kassandra: "My Lord my spells aren't working!"

>Fluffy: "Dammit Overlord... I knew you were evil..."

Wait, who's saying what? I can imagine Kassandra recognizing Signed magic, and a healer would naturally take charge in medical emergencies like this.

"emily, grab the girl and get as far from everyone as you can"

Dammit, ninja'd.

Anyways, tell her about Tracey's magic and the effects. Get Kassandra to use the slime claw scalpels to cut any of those nodes out if they form.

>>384836
Yell "YOU BROUGHT A CANCER MAGE INTO MY HOME?!"

Then evict the pestilence-spreading lady. Off the edge of the castle.

>>384836
"No it was your CANCER MAGE! FEEDING HER SPREADS THE GODDAMN PLAGUE"

Get the food away from her, and get her away from everyone.

Now now, let's not shout right now. That wouldn't help with the evil impression. Keep the organics away and Overlord can scalpel away any nodes that form. Afterwards, if all goes well (yeah, right), repeat the offer from >>384816 with the provision that Tracey only eat when no organics are around.

"Organics, away from the Cancer Mage! Quickly, we must contain the problem!"

>>384840
>>384841
Stop that. We aren't going to punish the girl over something she can't control, and likely wasn't even aware would happen given how eagerly she was eating despite people being around.

"You there, stop eating, now. Kassandra, they're sick, not wounded. Do you know of any way to treat diseases?"

Note: I'm assuming Kassandra's mask is meant to protect her from this sort of thing, so she'll be fine. Actually, that gives me an idea. Send out Ruby to purchase some face masks for everyone in the castle to use when needed.

>>384836
Son of a bitch. Get Nyx in here; she's already a Plaguespreader and will hopefully be immune. Everyone else get the fuck away.

>>384844
>Note: I'm assuming Kassandra's mask is meant to protect her from this sort of thing, so she'll be fine.
Look at her mouth. She is not fine. She's already bleeding.

>>384844
Masks do not protect against magic.

>>384845
Nyx might get worse. Constructs are immune, thus we can use Emily to keep Tracey isolated if that is what we're going to do.

Everyone else needs to get to some better medical attention than we have here. Or to a location where they will just respawn after death. Or whatever method we have to recover dead troops. Heck, we could give the non-demon afflicted here revive rings, and simply have the demons afflicted put out of their misery so that they respawn here.

I have no idea which Fluffy is, so she might need a revive ring, but I'm sure Styx would respawn in the castle at this point.

Now is your chance! Take back your sword, reclaim your power!

>>384846
Oh, damn, you're right. And here I thought that actually served a purpose. Disregard that note and order, then.

EVERYONE GET THE FUCK IN KASSANDRA'S HOLY ORDER OF WHITE MAGES AND SHIT

>>384849
We're not Chaotic Stupid or Neutral Evil. Take care of our valuable, valuable troops first. THEN take the sword back.

>>384848
Fluffy's a demon who wants to be a hero, but we don't know where she'd respawn or what'd she think upon respawning. And iirc, those afflicted become monsters and don't respawn.

Overlord 2012/02/06(Mon)15:11 No. 384854 ID: a9f0eb
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You order anyone who could possibly be infected to leave the immediate area and have Emily go with Tracey outside the castle.
You call Nix in.

She examines the others.

>Nix: "This is the... Plauge. It's what you sta... rt off with. It can actually be cured with... With the right healer. There's one in... The Land of Abel. If I could have I..." she spits "I would have gone there myself. However he's uh.. Well Abel at least isn't very willing to take in visitors."

.. a plague doctor, OF COURSE!
have her do ANYTHING she can to stall it.

then teleportal activate!

"We'll use force if necessary."

Time to go to the Land of Abel. Ask if the princess and butler wish to join us, or stay behind.

>Abel at least isn't very willing to take in visitors.
Too bad, we either sneak in or run past the defences. But we need to go NOW.

Nix stall it, Styx and Kassandra look into finding a chemical cure if possible. We're getting it in the early stages here, and the one who CAN cure it has to have discovered that cure somehow. Try Demi Angel if nothing else works.

Keep Shana away from Tracey before someone gets murdered.

Contact the paladin and clerics if possible to help you get in.

>>384854
We're going. We will bring everyone who is infected. First stop is Kass' friends, we explain there was an incident and

Tell the butler to keep things secure while we're gone, and tell Shana to keep him and his charge in check until we return.

Go to Fluffy, acquire our sword and the temporary allegiance of her golem. If she refuses threaten to leave her here.

Let's offer an exchange, then. If the Plague Doctor helps us, then in we'll in turn teach him our method of treating plaguespreaders (with the request that he obtains his claws through peaceful means). We might even be able to get him to share his own knowledge with us, furthering our search for a cure.

>>384861
First stop? Fuck no. First stop is the damn plague doctor. Also yeah, take the sword. It may be necessary.

Grab your sword before you go, you might need more power to fend off Abel's men.

>>384861
Can infected individuals spread the plague or is it solely Tracey's fault for the plague spreading?

>>384866
Technically it's out fault because we're stupid idiots and didn't scan the Cancer Mage first.

doesn't anyone we know have any connections there? maybe instead of trying to sneak everyone in, we could sneak one doctor out.

if nobody in the castle knows, maybe we could ask Fabio.

>>384854
"He's what? Nix, time is of the essence and we must take action to save the others- what do I need to know to do so?"

>>384869
Let's not get into that. She's the source of the disease, is what he meant. And iirc when we first encountered Nix, we were told that the plagueSPREADERS- the full-blown form of the disease- can spread the plague. Nix as she is now is a spitter. I'm not sure if she can. Our units atm can't, iirc. It sounds to be transmissible only through the cancer magic or plaguespreaders.

>>384870
Fabio ditched when he saw we had the watch, I think he's probably in a bomb shelter somewhere.

We do have the paladin and the clerics. Or cleric, singular, I think Tinker killed one to death.

>>384874
That one was a knight or paladin or something, but yeah.

Also, if/when we see Fabio again, tell him the watch's over.

>>384836
Is that red on Kass's mask?
I think that's red on Kass's mask.
Why did you bring her near the cancer mage when we told you to not bring her near the cancer mage?

Contact Kass's order. Tell them a cancer mage showed up and you need them to find you a Plague Doctor.

>>384878
Bad connection, huh?

>>384878
We didn't know she was one until it was too late.

>>384881
This is why we always scan all characters automatically. This should be like breathing for people as genre savvy as us.

>>384883
If we're so genre savvy, we should know that trying to defy a preordained fate, aka the Goldeon Watch, always brings about a worse fate. It was either let this moment of stupidity pass or be screwed over worse and have a Retcon from "only activates when she eats" to "activates once every hour" or some such shit.

But yeah, in the future always scan all people if we're not destined to be fucked over.

We should say to Fuffy: "I wouldn't poison my own people. Do you know what the girl with you is? These are the effects of a cancer mage. We need to keep everyone away from her until that power of hers goes inactive again. You can leave your golem friend with her if you are concerned about her; we are going to travel to seek a plague doctor before it is too late. You could choose not to come with us, but I would advise against it."

>>384885
If we had kept doing everything right we probably could have gotten out of it entirely. Note that this doom doesn't even hurt us directly unlike what screwing things up with Lilith might have done. I think that might have been the last try for fate at fucking us over.

>>384908
>>379160
>doom is inevitable
>we could have gotten out of it entirely
NOPE

Also, I don't think Fluffy is conscious atm.

>>384908
Well..

>>379513
>There are also tales of the clock randomly stopping for people and nothing bad happening to them.."

Seems like it is at least possible. If all the dangers had been avoided the watch would have simply stopped. Or maybe have moved one to an even lesser doom.

>Also, I don't think Fluffy is conscious atm.
Well that would make the sword easier to get, but I don't want to worry about that golem of hers causing any problems.

>>384912
>>384909
>doom is inevitable
>There are also tales of the clock randomly stopping for people and nothing bad happening to them..

I think this reinforces my theory that the watch detects problems/major plot points and warns the bearer of possible disaster related to them. If Tracey was the disaster, why would the clock tick faster for an unrelated issue with Lilith? We stopped the Lilith issue, and the new one immediately appeared, not giving the watch a chance to stop. Funny enough, the last line spoken before the watch ticked faster again was Tracey saying:
>"And to get your food!"

>>384914
>>384912
Hm, true. Although that "can't get rid of it while ticking" would seem that it causes/attracts trouble somehow. Possibly it's just a warning and we've had this coming anyways, possibly it attracts trouble somehow. Time to experiment after we fix this?

>>384915
You can get rid of it. It just finds its way back to you. Somehow. After if we solve all our problems, it'll probably move on to warn some other poor sap that he's got a case of Terminal Destiny-itis.

alright so... step 1, keep cancer mage locked up somewhere, only golems may interact with her. Explain to her that we magically scanned her and her eating causes disease... but we will find a cure, until then we can't let her run.

Claim your other eye from the sword, powerup might help.

And then quest to abel's lands to find the cure because there is no way in fucking hell we are losing styx!

Locking up the cancer mage might be a bit much- and fluffy certainly won't think any better of us for locking up a friend/ally. We just need to make sure she's isolated from non-constructs until the effect wears off. If they end up staying, we can probably manage to find somewhere to feed her where she won't harm anyone.

And let's not grab our eye right now, we've got bigger issues to deal with, and we don't want to like, black out for several hours or whatever grabbing the eye is bound to do to us.

Time to pay the good doctor a visit.

>>385073
I agree actually, don't go for the eye. For all we know it'll turn us back into Badass Overlord, and now isn't really the time to deal with that.

>>385079
Aye, but we may need more power. I suggest we have a minion store it securely in a box or sack. We can take it out if we really need to. If we don't cross the Godzilla Threshold, the eye shouldn't affect us just by being near us, given that it was already near us in the sword.

Overlord 2012/02/08(Wed)22:43 No. 385334 ID: 97486c
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"Then we'll use force if we must."

And with that you teleport to the gates of the Land of Abel.

approach calmly "hello"

Scan the guard.
"Hello, I require emergency entry into this Land. The lives of innocents are at stake!"

Is that smoke? Are we on fire?

grave mistake, Overlord. you shouldn't even be letting these people know you exist.

walk to the gate and if they ask why you are here say "there has been a minor out break of the plague, several of my employees have been affected, I hear there is a healer here who can help."

>>385473
this, but take off the mask. we can probly charm them all we want to no ill effect.

Alright, first off, we need to act casual. Keep the mask up and show our face. Be polite and respectful. They may be able to detect evil, but good aligned actions and desires may throw that off.

Keep your reasons simplistic. Say you came so you can get help for your friends who are sick and you need to see a doctor so they can be treated.

We are technically a golem, not a demon so we shouldn't be detected by those means either. Just take it calmly and act like an adventurer or someone simply trying to help his friends.

Another method is to say you are an acquaintance of Kass' church and mention one of the sisters who visited us. Should make things easier if we have someone inside to vouch for us.

>>385496

This.