René 2012/06/19(Tue)16:43 No. 424175 ID: 09e5bf
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René, looking for his dad, finds him sitting alone at the top of a hill, talking to someone, but nobody's there.

"You know, your boy has the talent for magic. You and your family should head out West with me. We get away from the Coal Nation. It'd be better for your boy that way." René doesn't hear a voice, but he knows what was said.

René's dad says they should be fine. He mentions that Jones is the town sheriff, so René shouldn't have any problems with authorities growing up 'round here.

"Come on, Ben. We could go adventuring like to good old days."

"Those days are behind me now. I've got a family now. I'm done with that life."

"I'm sorry to hear that."

What should René do? Interrupt? Continue listening in? Leave his Dad alone?

"hey. sorry to interrupt but i don't think i can stay here anyway. one of them scarlet knights found me in the other town. i managed to give them the slip but they will probably be checking all the towns near it for me."

>>424176
Also, "Is that a demon? I always wanted to meet one."

Wait politely where you are for the conversation to end, then speak up, I'd say.

René 2012/06/19(Tue)18:41 No. 424212 ID: 09e5bf
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Dad! I was in the other town when a scarlet knight found me! I gave 'em the slip, but I can't stay round these parts anymore, they're probly gonna search all the local towns for me."

"Haha! Really now? Perhaps you could come out West with me?"

"Don't encourage the boy. He's just playin' games. Now Rene, I don't want you joking about the Scarlet Knights, ya hear? Who told you about them anyway?"

"Mom did! She said t' look out fer them!"

"Good advice."

René 2012/06/19(Tue)18:42 No. 424213 ID: 09e5bf
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"Who's that you're talkin to, Dad? His eyes are all funny, is he a demon? I always wanted to meet a demon!"

"Rene! That was rude! Apologoize to -"

"There's no harm done, Ben. I'm no demon, René. I'm just one of Ben's old ridin' buddies. Though now I reckon I ain't nobody."

okay, now talk about what you were looking for him in th first place about.

Wait a second, you seem young. Is this a dream or a memory?

"Mr, are you putting on the dark, depressed tough guy act to impress the ladies? Dad would say you must read too many Penny dreadfuls!"

Tell him he looks like somebody to you.

Well now, nice knowing him. Perhaps you two will meet again? However, all the ladies will be yours - well, at least half of them will. He better make a family before you hit the West.

oh. oh my. apologize for lying.

>>424213
Man, what IS up with that guy's eyes? Is he a mage? Is that his aura expressing itself? WHAT IS THE DEAL

René 2012/06/20(Wed)15:44 No. 424467 ID: 09e5bf
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>Wait a second, you seem young. Is this a dream or a memory?

Both, it seems. Well, more memory than dream before; more dream now than memory. I think this happened early at night though.

>Man, what IS up with that guy's eyes? Is he a mage? Is that his aura expressing itself? WHAT IS THE DEAL

I don't know what the guy's deal is, maybe I found out when I was younger

"So, why're your eyes like that? Are you a mage?"

René 2012/06/20(Wed)15:48 No. 424471 ID: 09e5bf
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"I am a mage, no that doesn't have anything to do with my eyes. I also don't appreciate my memories being watched. Goodbye, dreamcrafter."

And with that, he goes away, without a trace, taking the landscape with him.

René 2012/06/20(Wed)15:48 No. 424473 ID: 09e5bf
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Huh. This must be what the dreamlines look like.

Well, where should René go from here?

Rene never saw the dreamlines before? What a noob. Next time you see that guy give him a shiner, because that dream he busted up was your memory and you had every right to watch it.

follow the roots upward. as in, go along the path and go where they get bigger.

Don't look at the light, it will blind you. Just wait to wake up.

>>424489

They don't really get bigger one way or the other.

Should René go where they seem to be converging, or head outward?

Converging? That sounds interesting, go check that out.

René 2012/06/20(Wed)20:07 No. 424543 ID: 09e5bf
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>Follow the lines to where they converge.

Huh. it kinda looks like a spiderweb.

René 2012/06/20(Wed)20:08 No. 424544 ID: 09e5bf
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I wonder why that is.

dive down to under the strings. there is some kind of dream spider. show us the true power of a dreamcrafter in their domain. create a giant rifle. and blow the bastard away.

>>424551
Diving under the web sounds like a good idea even if we do talk to it.

aaaaaaaaaaaaah use your dream catcher man

>>424556
what if this IS a dream-catcher?

>>424586
People wouldn't carry them around if they turn into giant spiders that sneak up on you.

Burn the web. Run.

Not necessarily in this order.

>>424603
no see, you keep them and the spider eats any bad dreams that try to get into your head.

René 2012/06/20(Wed)23:21 No. 424644 ID: 09e5bf
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>use your dream catcher

You use dream catchers by putting them up when you go to bed. They keep Bogeymen out. This is just a regular nightmare.

>dive down to under the strings. there is some kind of dream spider.

René 2012/06/20(Wed)23:22 No. 424645 ID: 09e5bf
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>show us the true power of a dreamcrafter in their domain. create a giant rifle. and blow the bastard away.

I'll do one better, I'll blow away this whole stupid nightmare

René 2012/06/20(Wed)23:23 No. 424646 ID: 09e5bf
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>no see, you keep them and the spider eats any bad dreams that try to get into your head.

I was taught that we use dream catchers to stop Bogeymen, who are too big to make it through the tiny holes. I don't think there are spiders involved, but I guess I could be wrong.

René 2012/06/20(Wed)23:24 No. 424647 ID: 09e5bf
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See? problem solved. No more giant nightmare spider.

René 2012/06/20(Wed)23:25 No. 424648 ID: 09e5bf
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...That's a bogeyman.

...

Why is a bogeyman here? HOW is a bogeyman here? I did have a dreamcatcher, right?

yes, but you just blew it up. durr. how did you become a dreamcrafter without knowing how things worked? hopefully you just escaped it and it's not actually on the ground in a million pieces.

anyway, you have unlimited ammo, start shooting and flying backwards.

>>424648
Shoot it.
"I've better things to do than put up with your nonsense.
Go away. Shoo!"

Can you go visiting other people's dreams?

>>424648
Destroy what it walks upon.

Hug it. It's probably really friendly but everybody treats it like a monster.

To be fair, it could be a nightmare about a Bogeyman? I doubt it, though. When you 'escaped' the nightmare about the spider, you went through and under the web, and it created this odd rippling effect. What could that have been representative of?

Also, gonna need more intel on Bogeymen here. What do they do, how do you defeat one if it does get past your dreamcatcher? If it has trouble with getting through small holes, can you find one to go through? Or is that only in the real world that works?

three rifles this time.

Wake up.

René 2012/06/21(Thu)12:45 No. 424733 ID: 09e5bf
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René tries to put some space between him and the Bogeyman

René 2012/06/21(Thu)12:45 No. 424734 ID: 09e5bf
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"I've better things to do than put up with your nonsense.
Go away. Shoo!"

René 2012/06/21(Thu)12:46 No. 424735 ID: 09e5bf
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>Also, gonna need more intel on Bogeymen here. What do they do?

Bogeyman hurt you in dreams, which hurts you in real life. Some stories say they'll also kidnap people. They usually create nightmares to do the work for them.

>how do you defeat one if it does get past your dreamcatcher?
I've not heard of someone beating one. That's what dreamcathers are for. I don't know about dreamcrafters, but to most people, Bogeymen aren't really stoppable once the person is dreaming.

>If it has trouble with getting through small holes, can you find one to go through? Or is that only in the real world that works?
I'm pretty sure the small holes thing is just real world objects.

>Can you go visiting other people's dreams?

Judging from the guy with the unnaturally black poncho, yes. Have I done so before? No.

>you went through and under the web, and it created this odd rippling effect. What could that have been representative of?

I wouldn't know. It felt like water when I dove under the webs.

René 2012/06/21(Thu)12:46 No. 424736 ID: 09e5bf
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Stupid monster doesn't even know that's an exploding cannonball.

René 2012/06/21(Thu)12:46 No. 424737 ID: 09e5bf
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... or it just doesn't care.

>>424737
How well can you control dreamcrafted objects? Are they anchored in place, or is it a freefloating thing here? Can you throw them around?

I kinda want to make a u-shape or a bowl to deflect and redirect the projectile back to the bogeyman.

I also want to KILL IT WITH FIRE.

> the guy with the unnaturally black poncho
He sent you here, time to pay him a visit. That was your only memory of him? Recreate it countless times.

try using impossible objects. shoot a bullet that that negative friction, you are only limited o your imagination here. maybe a giant war golem. a demon, a giant squishing machine. another boogyman loyal to you.

also dodge.

You might want to try waking up. You fucked up badly, and you're out of your league here.

Encase it in a block of ice.

Elephant Guy 2012/06/21(Thu)16:43 No. 424783 ID: 223190
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one hundred million cannons!

>>424783
You magnificent bastard.

>>424783
I see no way this could possibly go wrong.

try using FIRE magic on it

So, dreamcraft stuff can't hurt it. Can it TRAP it?

INSTANT JAIL CELL.

Also, gon' want to dodge that thingy it threw at you. Was already present in this part of the dream, so it might actually be dangerous.

René 2012/06/23(Sat)00:54 No. 425250 ID: a467b8
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>You might want to try waking up.

I have been.

René 2012/06/23(Sat)00:55 No. 425251 ID: a467b8
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>also dodge.

René 2012/06/23(Sat)00:56 No. 425252 ID: a467b8
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>one hundred million cannons!

I'm not sure I could imagine that many of anything. Is this enough?

René 2012/06/23(Sat)00:58 No. 425254 ID: a467b8
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I guess not.

How should René handle the flaming cannonball? Dodge, Deflect, Block, something else?

>>425254
Make a tennis racket for this.

>>425254
DODGE! You haven't been able to put a scratch on it, why do you think that you'll be able to take a hit?

Also make illusions of yourself to confuse it.

AFTER you've dodged.

what happened to the spear it threw? also maybe you need some 'real' compents? carve ammo out of the rocks, not imagine them wholesale. for this get a block out of the stone and intercept it.

>>425254
That's your cannonball. You made it. You can unmake it.

Alternatively you could catch it with a cannon and fire it back... but with how the bogeyman disguised the spear as a hunk of rock before, I suspect it might not be your cannonball anymore, or even a cannonball.

I say summon a giant baseball bat and knock it back at him. Worst case scenario, the bat gets destroyed.

>>425259
Doh! That spear had been a rock when the boogeyman threw it. Start using those as dreamcrafting material instead of gossamer or whatever it is you're using now.

Make a u-bend pipe to send the cannonball back at it.

After that is dealt with, consider that those stone spires were here before you got here. They may well be more "real" here than your dreams are, while still being dream-stuff. What I'm suggesting is that they may have the capacity to harm the bogeyman. The fact that it used one to attack supports my hypothesis. Try turning one of them into a weapon of your own with your dream crafting.

If that doesn't work, you're going to have to run away and look for someone else's dream to take refuge in. You should fit through their dreamcatcher.

Deflect. That thing looks explodey, so conjure something in its way.

Also, I am still waiting to see INSTANT JAIL CELL.

Time allowing, block it with another cannonball of your own. Should cancel eachother's momentum.

And hey, once that's dealt with, obviously it wouldn't work in the real world, but seeing how this is a dream and all, could you conjure up a pure silver blade to lot the things head off?

aw man

maybe you can directly unmake the world around him

make him fall to oblivion

This isn't dead man's volley. That spear. You can make a giant crossbow to shoot that?

1/8 René 2012/06/24(Sun)16:46 No. 425675 ID: 09e5bf
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>Use the rocks to make things.

René tries to craft a bat out of the rocks to hit the cannonball back with.

2/8 René 2012/06/24(Sun)16:46 No. 425676 ID: 09e5bf
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But it proves too hard to work with, so he quickly makes a U bend at the last second to turn the cannonball back at the Bogeyman.

3/8 René 2012/06/24(Sun)16:47 No. 425678 ID: 09e5bf
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... which it missed.

4/8 René 2012/06/24(Sun)16:47 No. 425679 ID: 09e5bf
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But René's efforts weren't for nothing.

5/8 René 2012/06/24(Sun)16:48 No. 425680 ID: 09e5bf
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René has learned a few things about the rocks

6/8 René 2012/06/24(Sun)16:48 No. 425681 ID: 09e5bf
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1. They are made of Gossamer, just like any of his items.

7/8 René 2012/06/24(Sun)16:48 No. 425682 ID: 09e5bf
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2. They are so well made, that they make his stuff look like Papier-mâché.

8/8 René 2012/06/24(Sun)16:49 No. 425684 ID: 09e5bf
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And lastly, 3. That they, just like everything else here, were made by the bogeyman.

Looks like what you need to do to beat this thing is become better at dreamcraft than the bogeyman. So uh, that's my suggestion, I guess. Weave something out of gossamer as tight and strong as you can.

Do you have any metal on you?

Also, fuck.

there's blood on it's lip. getting hit by that last attack did manage to hurt it. that means it ISN'T indestructible, just stronger then what you can make. do you have a way to make things stronger then normal? even for a limited amount of time? like, instead of making something up, make something REAL. pull out your gun, you should know that thing inside and out and pour ALL your remaining gossamer into it, and make it perfect down to every last nick and scratch.

Wait...

Okay, let's look at this logically.

The Bogeyman made you, since you are here, and everything else's antecedent was the rocks. Therefore, it is one of your parents. We met your father in a memory. He may have somehow become a bogeyman, but it is more likely that this is your mother.

Yell "Mommy!" and hug it.

If nothing else, it'll tell us if she can understand/speak language.

After all, your dad presumably was a magic-user, and magic attracts demons. Everyone assumed it was like flies to Balsamic vinegar, but looks like it means romantically.

You are half-demon.

Jump down a time-traveling well and get UST with a Tsundere schoolgirl.

What if this Bogeyman is made with Gossamer? What if it's made with your Gossamer? There must be a way to defeat it or run away, otherwise there wouldn't be any stories or protections against it.

>>425687
This, except that you're in a dream. However, you can make things of metal, right? No need to be large or in absurd quantity. A sword, a revolver. Or a dream catcher? Anything. Focus all your Gossamer into it.

>>425688

that's not blood. that's his markings. nothing we did even nicked him.

can you directly influence the bogeyman itself? I dunno, create stuff directly inside of it, or shift the bogeyman's shape?

>>425700
Above the stripe in the middle of her jaw. Red splotch. Slightly different shade of red and irregular borders.

>>425700
The mark at the end of the Bogeyman's chin is part of his natural markings. The ones along the side of his mouth are blood.

>>425689
>>425692
I don't feel that the evidence supports this conclusion.

Make a DREAM CATCHER. In this dream.

Don't try and make solid objects better then this thing. Pretty clear you can't. You need to be smarter about what you choose to make. So if it wants to work with stone, how about you work with your primary element. Use the gossamer that makes up this place to heat this place up, and turn it into a blaze as intense as you can imagine. And then pour every scrap of talent you have with fire magic to feed and intensify the flames you've created. Don't try and alter what this has made using dreamcrafting. Melt it.

>>425706

interestingly enough, that's the same spot Rene got scratched by the spear.

dun dun dunn

>>425687
He has a belt with a buckle on it.

Metal? Metal won't help, he'd need PURE SILVER to banish this thing's stuff. And you can't dreamcraft that.

If making a dreamcatcher doesn't work, it's looking like the best thing we can do is turn this thing's creations against it. Continue reflecting and redirecting attacks, and try to create a gun that you can put one of the rocks into to shoot it. Like a flechette.

REAL metal can break dreamcrafted things, but real metal doesn't EXIST in here, this is the dream world EVERYTHING is a dream!!

>>425684

fabricate a dream-maze and place it around you and the bogeyman, then run for it.

Dreamcraft a boogeyman to fight this boogeyman!

important correction René 2012/06/24(Sun)21:05 No. 425775 ID: 09e5bf
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I am very sorry, I just realized I forgot to have something important happen.

The Bogeyman speaks. "I am the spear, reach extending, flesh tearing"

>>425775
I am the claymore, haft-shearing, spearman-slaying.

Yes, this is actually what they were for, iirc.

>>425778
As we play this Game, I assume we should be dreamcrafting the objects we present.

>>425778
worst idea, you sir would end up with a spear head in your gut.
>>425775
I am the shield, weapon stopping, flesh protecting

>>425800
okay a shield does sound better.

>>425775
What would it gain with this old game that it wouldn't obtain by force? No, let's play poker. Or giant ass spear through its guts. Or bogeyman barbecue.

>>425809
I agree with not playing the oldest game and just roasting the f*** out of it

>>425810
>>425809
uhhh, did you not notice we are standing on the surface of a dream STAR? as in, it's like a million billion degrees. but because it's technically dream fire we are basically immune.

>>425813
René still has the spear and poker options. No, seriously. What it wants with this old game?

>>425816
because it's a lot harder to cheat at. and rene cannot make items strong enough to pierce it's hide.

>>425800
Votan for shield

>>425800
Shield seems our best bet.

Maybe he wants a conversation.

Wait, wait. I got this. Rene is half air half fire, isn't he? Let's play to his strengths.

"I am the air intangible, thrust your spear and I will move aside."

I am the fire, haft-charring, head-softening.
>>425847
That doesn't actually defeat the spear.

I am the fire, haft-charring, head-softening.
>>425847
That doesn't actually defeat the spear.

>>425819
Perhaps a haiku battle or a rap battle?

>>425861
It does. The point is to thwart his effort to win, usually by BUT not necessarily just by "beating" his form. For example, a bodyguard vs. a sniper. Even if bodyguard dies, the sniper failed in his mission, so the sniper loses.

And he included flesh-tearing, so he's trying to murderlize us.

René 2012/06/25(Mon)15:51 No. 425963 ID: 09e5bf
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I am the shield, weapon stopping, flesh protecting

René 2012/06/25(Mon)15:51 No. 425964 ID: 09e5bf
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"I am fire, wood burning, defense engulfing"

>>425964
Go with nothingness, water is too obvious. It'll stop burning when deprived of oxygen.

"I am the storm fire drowning warmth leaching"

i am a fire mage, flame controlling.

I am Réné uh.. your last name. Fire is my bitch. Toast his ass.

Cook, blacksmith and dreamcrafter? Fire is your tool? Then it would use "Bogeyman" and win easily. Lame.

Bogeyman? Flame eater, dream destroyer? It would have to reveal its weakness or lose the game. No, that's too boring.

Let's go with storm, water, carbon dioxide and stuff.

>>425974
If he uses bogeyman we can use dreamcatcher. And honestly, how do you counter a dreamcatcher?

>>425967
this, crafting a fire mage would be a bit too meta.

>>425978
With a stupid dreamcrafter. If it says "dreamcatcher", let's craft one.

>>425981
Nothing is meta in this old game. This game should be played between mortals, not by absurdly powerful creatures where the best answer is always the opponent. It says its weakness or loses the game.

>>425980
If you reuse a concept you lose. If we go dreamcrafter, he goes bogeyman, we go dreamcatcher and he goes dreamcrafter, we win.

Edit. Edit. Edit. Edit. It's never enough.

>>425996
Pure silver? Dreamcrafters are mortals, they have far too many weaknesses.

While I don't mind debate, it makes sorting out suggestions harder. If you are voting for something, or changing your vote, and not just arguing the merits of an idea, please specifically say so.

As best I can tell the votes are currently

3 for storm,
2 for firemage
1 for specifically going with a dreamcrafter
1 for Bogeyman
and 1 for Nothingness.

But I can't tell if Calling Soft still supports storm or has changed their vote.

Sorry about that. I'll go with "Bogeyman. Flame breather, dream destroyer."

I'll go with storm. Having something that can take out a firemage next seems like a bad direction to push things in.

Add a vote for storm.

>>426002
You can't dreamcraft craft pure silver, therefore it is an invalid choice in this Game.

>>426005
I will settle on voting for Storm.

>>426036
No, René says dreamcraft, Bogeyman says pure silver. Wait. You mean that they need to craft what they say? Is that an unspoken rule?

>>426039
'Summoning what you say' has not been specified as a rule, but it's what has been happening so far.

If you would like to try countering the Bogeyman by just saying what beats his thing without actually crafting an item, let me know. But for now, I'm going under the assumption that René is summoning what the suggestions call for as per >>425780

also, saying a mage type we are, fire or dreamcraft, doesn't need us to craft it, since that is what we are.

>>426045
Thanks. I'll go with storm, then.

René 2012/06/25(Mon)22:20 No. 426129 ID: 09e5bf
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Ok, the whole thing with the sun not hurting, turns out that's because it's not made to hurt.

René 2012/06/25(Mon)22:21 No. 426132 ID: 09e5bf
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"I am a storm, fire drowning, warmth leaching"

Oh god that was really hard to make. I'm not sure I could make something bigger than this.

René 2012/06/25(Mon)22:21 No. 426133 ID: 09e5bf
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I am the wind,

René 2012/06/25(Mon)22:22 No. 426134 ID: 09e5bf
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cloud breaking, storm dispelling

I am a kite; wind riding, joy creating!

>>426134
"I am space air depriving flesh freezing"

I am a windmill, taming the wind to grind up grain.

>>426140
voting for windmill

Voting for windmill, hoping he counters with a crazy Spaniard.

Bamboo.

I dunno if you're winning but he's having a great time with this. Just look at that grin!

How 'bout phrasing it like so: I am the windmill, wind taming, energy gaining.

Votin' for windmill.

The_Falcon!Z/kS4uKGRU 2012/06/26(Tue)06:41 No. 426244 ID: 6768fc
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I am the boulder
Wind enduring
century lasting
im sorry it had to be done

>>426233
This.

a windmill profits from the wind, but doesn't defeat it. nothing can stop the wind the way you have to in order to win the game. we lost.

>>426250
A vacuum, like space, would stop the flow of wind. But I believe an object which benefits from the wind (ie, windmill) would work.

>>426244
Wind erodes rock, it just takes a long time.

I am the void, infinite and unchanging.

I am a house, wind blocking, shelter providing

>>426250
indeed

My real suggestion is 'I am the homeor house if you will, wind breaking, inhabitant sheltering'

I wanted to say something like 'the earth' or some other item where the wind matters little on it's scale, but this is a dream battle and Rene has limits. The Home might be one of the better options, since it shelters the inhabitants from the elements for however long the inhabitant(in this case rene) lives there. Sure the wind erodes all things given time, but Rene(inhabitant) would be long dead several times over before that even looked close to happening and so could be said to defeat the wind as a threat.

sorry if this is a bit longer than what you're used to. Just explaining my reasoning as well as suggesting.

>>426150
"The wind doesn't break a tree that bends."

A prime example of a counter that does not work is countering a cow with a farmer, who milks it. The farmer does nothing to the cow, so it's a loss.

You can't just use something that benefits from whatever your opponent just used. It has to eliminate or impede the other thing.

Let's go with a house.

What about hurricanes? You need to get rid of the wind to dispel those storms.

Suggestion 2012/06/26(Tue)13:15 No. 426331 ID: 927efa
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I am a fart.

I am the boulder, wind blocking, lee creating.

I am the boulder, wind blocking, lee creating.

Although these efforts shows how much we appreciate this quest, I think that's enough. This isn't the place for this kind of discussion, we should move to General Discussion or Traditional Games.

>>426138
Kite is best. whimsy will always win. dont go with force, but simply move out of the way.

As the kite, you fly.

>>426134
I am changing mine to "I am the Mountain wind breaking, Eon withstanding"

René 2012/06/26(Tue)18:32 No. 426472 ID: 09e5bf
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"I am the windmill, wind taming, energy gaining"

I made that just in time.

René 2012/06/26(Tue)18:32 No. 426474 ID: 09e5bf
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"I am war,"

René 2012/06/26(Tue)18:32 No. 426476 ID: 09e5bf
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"structure destroying, humanity consuming"

I am victory, war ending, game winning.

I am TREATY; war ending, alliance making.

>>426476
"I am Famine Army starving, Life ending"

>>426476
I am plague, thriving in war

i am strategy. have some blue guys appear from behind and sneak attack his reds.

Soviet Winter, bitch.

Sorry. Let's go with Poverty/Famine.

I am Holocaust, all-ending, war-consuming.

I am the blizzard, soldier freezing, supply line severing.

I am the blizzard, soldier freezing, supply line severing.

>>426528
>>426529
Oh! I'll go with this! Make it double!

I am awake, nightmare ending, safety ensuring

was kind of wondering why noone did this, it's cheating, but still.

I am the diplomat, war-ending, peace-winning.

What, and end our fun?

>>426478
I like it.

>>426529

yeah.

I am hope I will always continue.

I've been thinking a little about this dream battle thing. Both the bogeyman and Rene are using their magic to create all of these complex things out of gossamer and whatnot, right? And the Bogeyman is obviously much, much better than Rene, and able to do a whole lot more complex things more quickly, as evidenced by how it conjured up 'war'.

So... if we answer the bogeyman's challenges directly in terms of things of complexity and size, Rene is gonna get totally boned, isn't we? Rene had trouble getting the windmill up, presumably because it was big and complex. He had a similar difficulty with the storm, maybe for similar reasons.

My point is, with every extravagant suggestion we're causing Rene to tire or have to rush to get his defense up in time, I think. Sooner or later one or the other in this battle is gonna run out of magic or concentration or whatnot. Hell, that might be the victory condition; outlast your opponent, either until morning, or until the bogeyman has expended its energy in trying to 'win' over you.

So, we should be cleverer with Rene's magics than the more powerful bogeyman is with its. Counter big things with simple, small things, y'know? Concepts like 'victory' or 'hope', per default, would be fairly complex to gossamer up, because it needs to be 'shown' to work in opposition against the opposing agency. Just look at how the bogeyman did 'war'. It didn't just conjure up a pair of blades clashing or something, it conjured an entire friggin' battlefield to smush the windmill with.

>>426548
This.

>>426719
You're right! Good thinking! I'll change my vote again. "Diplomat".

>>426722
Agreed

>>426480
this, a treaty is easier than a diplomat since it is easier to make a mock up document than a mock up person.

>>426739
Diplomacy.

>>426803
René can change his clothes for those of a diplomat. Anyway, what the hell diplomats wear nowadays?

I'd prefer treaty, if you go diplomat, just summon one, because the previous item gets DESTROYED by the next here. It's not a thing you want to personally be.

>>426476

The classic response to War, is Time.


I am Time, All Encompassing, All Ending.

>>426906
"War. War never changes."

>>426902
Where's the fun in that?

>>426910

I said Time, not change.

All Wars end, whether by peaceful means or if everyone dies.

>dream up a metaphorical representation of time itself

yeah let's not try that.

>>426910
You can't repeat forms. Hurr.

>>426912

Not that difficult actually, just show that everything already present falling to ruin, all the soldiers give way to old men, the old men to corpses, the corpses to ash, the building as it's wood rots and fail, the masonry being overgrown and broken down by the elements.

>>426915
he has a REALLY hard time changing the objects the boogyman summons, it's like trying to carve a baseball bat out of a oak tree with a toothbrush.

>>426913
They used something similar before? Or you didn't understand my reference? Durr. Urgh, this is incredibly stupid. Let's not do this again.

>>426911
Not because of time, but poverty, treaty, victory and defeat.

>>426917
...They used War. We are, in fact, trying to counter War. You are trying to use War. Why.

If you weren't actually suggesting we use that or saying that the Bogeyman might use it as a counter, I can understand that, but it was a bit unclear.

>>426918
I'm just saying that time isn't a factor, not to use war again.

>>426919
Ah. Individual wars do end, given time, but the big question is whether you believe two sides will eventually annihilate each other entirely, like nuking the planet completely and making it uninhabitable or not.

Yeah, time probably isn't a good counter.

I am hippies! No wait, wrong era.

Wasn't "time" specifically cited as too abstract to use?

Also, further advocating "a treaty"- The same thing can't be used again, and fire's already come up, right?

>>426918
Actually, war is what the professionals usually use to counter war.

René 2012/06/28(Thu)02:17 No. 426953 ID: 09e5bf
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alright, lets give this a try...

René 2012/06/28(Thu)02:17 No. 426955 ID: 09e5bf
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"I am the diplomat,"

René 2012/06/28(Thu)02:17 No. 426956 ID: 09e5bf
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"war-ending, peace-winning"

René 2012/06/28(Thu)02:18 No. 426957 ID: 09e5bf
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"I am Betrayal, Trust-breaking, Peace Shattering."

"I am the third party, opportunity stealing, battle dominating."

>>426958
ohhh, yeah red and blue are so busy fighting they don't notice GREEN showing up and steam rolling them.

ohh ohh, a hero.

chirps 2012/06/28(Thu)02:47 No. 426962 ID: 34cbef
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now i have to put my two cents in, I am Fearless- Consequence Enduring, Fear Domineering

I am compassion, forgiving betrayal and mending trust.

I am MISFIRE; betrayal negating, user damaging.

Now is a good time to use "time", which can be represented by younger generations. Or hippies.

"I am Time, injuries healing, something something."

I'm really bad at this game.

>>426961

Yeah, a hero could work. Unifying the people and fighting corruption and such.

Betrayal doesn't kill the diplomat. In fact it empowers the diplomat. Looks like we're winning.

Could do 'The Judge', bringing betrayers to answer for their crimes?

I am the judge, betrayal-punishing, law-enforcing.

I am the avenger, vengeance-reaping, conflict pursuing.

Both of these could work, I believe. I favor the judge, though the avenger might be easier to create in situ.

I am 420

420 solves everything once again

>>426964
this could work, hard to dream craft though

>>427031
Berlin wall, anyone? Old soldiers and leaders or new generations shaking and joining hands, giving hugs and tears of joy. What had been separated, together again. The bogeyman can't use War or Betrayal again, mainly because both would be very difficult to happen again.

I am Forgiveness, Feud-Stopping, Heart Healing.

I AM DOUBLE BETRAYAL, BETRAYAL FOILING, TRUST STRENGTHENING. THEN HAVE HIS GUN BE SABOTAGED.

oh wait, i am the BODYGUARD, bullet stopping.

Rene> Hesitate

>>426971

Except that this isn't 'red versus blue' but concept versus concept. If the blue diplomat gains from betraying the red, as long as the betrayal is the bogeyman's influence the bogeyman still wins, even if blue used to be 'our' side. Don't get tricked by the colour-coding, that's only to easily differentiate the two sides in the imaginary conflict.

>>426980

Alright, that was me. New definite vote: Hero. As in "I am the hero, betrayal-foiling, respect-winning."

This is solely to start a consensus before Rene does what >>427150 says.

>>427150
We can't run our mouths off anymore? Okay, let's go with Hero!

Hero is very likely the best idea right now. Remember; The oldest game isn't about overpowering the opponent with big concepts, it's making a concept that the opponent can't counter.

>even if blue used to be 'our' side

A note on this. Blue was never on René's side. At least not in the sense that it works with him. He has gotten shot at more than a couple times from that side too.

>>427180

I figured as much! Blue was only ever on 'our' side as a vessel for the diplomat concept.

>>426957

"I am Conscience, hand-staying, peace-preserving."

René 2012/06/30(Sat)22:04 No. 427730 ID: 09e5bf
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René quickly creates a blue soldier to shoot the betrayer before the Reds can get revenge for their general.

René 2012/06/30(Sat)22:04 No. 427731 ID: 09e5bf
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"I am the Hero, corruption unveiling, people unifying."
The Hero runs out and reveals that the betrayer was part of a secret organization, and trying to sabotage peace between the reds and blues.

René 2012/06/30(Sat)22:05 No. 427732 ID: 09e5bf
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"I am Paranoia, suspicion-building, stranger-accusing"

The Hero begins decrying this secret organization, talking of how they lie hidden amongst us, how they could be anyone. This sets both sides on a witch hunt, looking for spies and conspirators. Suspecting one another, and throwing around accusations.

René 2012/06/30(Sat)22:06 No. 427733 ID: 09e5bf
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A group of blues, looking for suspicious individuals, have found René in the wreckage of the windmill, and are about to shoot him unless he acts fast.

>>427733
I am Truth, reason-bearing, mind-awakening.

I am love, soul-soothing, paranoia easing.

In terms of creating this, have the soldier's lover appear and convince him to stop.

"I am Truth, redeeming, way-lighting."

Bring the two armies to bear against the Bogeyman.

..Truth might work. In fact, it may very well win this. Think about it, the natural counter is lies. It's the easiest and toughest counter for truth. HOWEVER, he has already been using lies in the form of a traitor(after all, what is a traitor but one who lies about their loyalty). He counters with that, he loses.

And just for that added cherry on top, point to the boogieman and show them the true cause of their war, betrayal, paranoia and chaos.

>>427739
Actually this.
Truth, and reveal that the Bogeyman is the cause for their suffering existence.

>>427740
>>427738
Oh shit, this is a great idea.

You girls have come up with something really impressive. Without hesitation or confusion, Truth. This will be awesome!

>>426011
What if this is how bogeymen are born? Good thing no one agreed with my stupid idea.

>>427739
seems like the best idea.

In my experience, it seems like an innocent child giving tearfully moving pleas for an end to the killing is usually the end of these situations, at least according to the stories. How confident are you in the weight of narrative causality here?

>>427739
I would like to point out, this is not *quite* the oldest game. This is building a narrative out of random new elements, like a dream. Paranoia does not beat a Hero, it beats what he accomplished in the context of previous events. I think trying to claim victory on a questionable technicality in the familiar rules is going to result in being shot in the face by a dream bullet.

>>427764
problem with love or anything of that sort is that it is still left open for various things. Jealousy, kidnapper, those sort of things. It's not really ending the story and trying to get them both to stop tearfully won't help the paranoia.

If we want to go with a natural end, truth would work better. Both ending the game, strategically, and story wise. After all, wouldn't a better story be one where both sides settle their differences and fight the true cause of their wars, betrayals and paranoia? One where the puppet master loses his strings and have the puppets turn on him? Feels a lot more conclusive than just stop fighting.

>>427768
Not dissing on Truth, just your analysis of what is likely to follow, and then calling lies=traitors. There are much better contextual counters to Truth anyway, like just not believing it.

If I were going to discourage picking truth, it would be by pointing out how hard it is going to be for Rene to manifest such a lofty abstract concept as Truth in a way that is not easily countered by even the most casual Disbelief. Rene cannot create God handing down proclamations of Ultimate Truth here. The one effective method I can think of is to have your Truth mouthpiece delivering the message in a way that also generates an Emotional response. Tears and child-like innocence can work well for that.

>>427774
Perhaps, but the truth in this case ends the paranoia by showing who exactly is at the cause of all this misfortune, which we can show through some form of illusion of how the game has taken place. And the cause is the Bogeyman. He started the game, he played War, we ended it, he caused the traitor, which we ended again.

>>427774
>>427776

the most perfect form of illusion is not needing it. and illusion is what we give form with dreamcrafting.

"I am the Politician: paranoia-harnessing, bogeyman-blaming."

"I am the Martyr, witness-bearing, self-sacrificing."

Have a respected blue mouthpiece take the shot for you, then with its dying breath (truthfully) reveal the Bogeyman as the architect of the war, the betrayal and the very idea that there are more traitors among them when there isn't. The Bogeyman made the army, so it's turning his own gossamer creations against him.

(Fun fact, martyr means 'witness', i.e. someone who may be called to witness for their beliefs and thus suffer (or die) for them.)

... is what I would like to say, but Truth is heavily in the lead. Which worries me. Truth has the difficulty that it's hard to come up with something simple and convincing at a moment's notice, which is all Rene has. Martyr gives him time to have someone take the shot for him, then take his time to use the martyr's final testimony against the Bogeyman.

René 2012/07/01(Sun)17:39 No. 427975 ID: 09e5bf
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René tries to use his magic to make to soldiers more believing, but is too weak to alter the Bogeyman's creations. So he has to rely on his words alone to do the job.

"You've got the wrong! He's the reason for the war, as well as all the betrayal and chaos! It's all the bogeyman!"

Blue Soldier Number 5,783,601 2012/07/01(Sun)17:40 No. 427978 ID: 09e5bf
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Number 5,783,605 tries to make sense of this rambling, while the stranger looks to the sky over the red army and shouts "I am Truth! Redeeming, Way-ligh- what do you mean you don't see him? Dammit, let me show yo-"

René 2012/07/01(Sun)17:41 No. 427979 ID: 09e5bf
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BANG!

René 2012/07/01(Sun)17:42 No. 427981 ID: 09e5bf
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"HAHAHAHaHaHahahah..."

Victory goes to the boogeyman!

Now, hang the fuck on, that was a completely legitimate answer.

Damn cheating bogeyman :|

Oh look, he got shot in the face by a dream bullet. What do you know. :P

>>427987
Saying I told you so is a really annoying thing to do, but that's not gonna stop me.

Aww. Game's over. Whelp, our bad.

>>427987

You've mistaken the basics of this variant of the game. The Bogeyman's power over its own creations was already established as too powerful for us to topple. In hindsight, yes, we screwed the pooch by suggesting he enforce belief in a truth over a bunch of soldiers (which, er, seems to have numbered in the millions?). The Bogeyman had total power over all of those soldiers, and we did the thing we shouldn't have done, which was try and challenge that power directly.

Now we must move on to our local, friendly magic-hunting knightress, who must presumably hunt down a Bogeyman-infested magician or find his corpse or... something.

Or Rene will wake from his dream and nothing bad will have happened. Nope, nothing bad at all. Absolutely nothing.

Or Deus Ex Machina will save him and scold him for getting into whatever he got into by whatever reason he got into it.

So many wonderful opportunities for plot progress!

Hey, fuck ye cheatin' Boogeyman that's no way to treat your son, this is a dream, where our word is law. Summon the Dreambulance!

>>427978
In context.

> Look, a complete and disarmed stranger. What to do? *pew* *pew* The world is saved!

>>428020
More like "An crazy gunman who just tried to cast magic on us, PEW PEW". René had his gun on him.

>>428025
Yeah, that's proper procedure for suspicious fellas. You kill them before they tell anything about their goals and provide more information about the organization they belong. I'm vexed! Stop trying to reason with me!

René 2012/07/01(Sun)20:59 No. 428060 ID: 09e5bf
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René wakes up in the same spot he went to sleep, if not the same condition. He's been headed back to his hometown, Pineshadow, and only has a couple more days to go!

René 2012/07/01(Sun)20:59 No. 428061 ID: 09e5bf
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Waking up to a pounding headache, René notices his hair is wet. It seems some of the injuries he got from his encounter with the bogeyman came with him. His shoulder is hurting pretty bad from falling on it, he's still got the nasty cut from that spear, as well as the injuries from the windmill falling down around him.

René realizes that he is now a stronger mage, and can do things he couldn't before! His fireball and fire punch/kick are stronger, and he now has a flame breath attack, as well as two other spells; what are they?

René can also summon more things. His gossamer supply has risen to 50, and he can create things that are basic knowledge to professionals in all but the most eccentric of fields.

Unfortunately, after a quick check, René notices that, as an average mage, he can no longer fully suppress his mage aura, at best being able to merely suppress it, making it more like smouldering coals than a blazing fire. But he can do so more easily than when he could hold it down completely.

>>428062
Oh gosh. Is this how new bogeymen are made?

>>428061
Is the thing on your left cheek a wound or a bogeyman marking? I ask because so far all the wounds/bloodstreams shown didn't have a black outline, and the bogeyman's markings did.

>>428065
It's a wound. I thought I had been drawing lines around the actual wounds, and only doing outlineless red for blood trickling.

Sorry if there has been a point where I've been inconsistent about that.

Now what, you need to beat a Capoeira Master? I'll never pick Magic again. Anyway, what about your dreamcatcher, lizard dude?

>>428066
no, sarda is juts bad at looking.

New Spells?

A fire trap! Pillar of flame! A rolling wave of fire! Something that can affect more than one person that isn't point blank!

>>428067
René has Capoeira down, it was just a matter of a few lessons from his fighting teacher clicking with him.

As an average dreamcrafter, René's creations now burn like paper when they touch metal, instead of popping like a bubble.

Oh, and since I'm posting things I forgot, here's a quick list of all of René's things:

Trusty Six-shooter with 32 bullets, with a holster
Harmonica
High Quality Guitar, kept in a hard guitar case
Duster, Jeans, Belt, Spare mundane clothing that's a little big for René, and Nice Clothing (A vest, shirt, undershirt, and pants)
Old boots and Nice crocodile boots.
Food-ware (pots and dishes), kept in a sack
Bandages
Tent and bedroll
Gossamer Backpack
17 days of trail rations. (René's been out for 3 days)
2 days of cook-able food.
Two books by Ed Delatorre: 'The River Strider', and the latest book of the 'Meggiora Highlands' series
Fancy Dress made with Pretty, Sturdy fabric.
$19,205

René's inventory will also be kept updated here: http://tgchan.org/wiki/Magic_West as I remember to do so.

I like the idea of an AoE fire spell, maybe a wave of flame? And how about a delayed explosion? SPARKBOMB

Isn't the breath attack already AoE? Time bombs and fire traps are good ideas, anyway. What about "illusions", mirages?

as a Fire/air mage, would you have any luck attempting things from the Air/fire school of magic? That is to say, lightning. I am not expecting miracles here, just wondering if it is even a thing to be considered.

Swear revenge on the bogeyman. Nobody fucks you up like that and gets away with it.

Might also try contacting that guy from last night again next time you sleep, except less invasively; he might make a good mentor, since he was your dad's friend, and since you seem likely to be departing from civilization soon.

>>428098
Also can you pick up basic air magic?

>>428098
he's fire/spirit not fire/air

>>428107
Fire/spirit is necromancy. Fire/air is dreamcraft.

René 2012/07/01(Sun)23:17 No. 428110 ID: 09e5bf
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>>428104
René does not know of a way to get air primary magic, nor can he switch his primary and secondary.

>Isn't the breath attack already AoE?
Yes it is.

>What about "illusions", mirages?
Illusions are the purview of Water/Fire mages. Rene could theoretically make a mirage through hot and cold spots, but it'd just be a somewhat direct-able version of the refraction from heat rather than a true illusion.

Also, so there's more to go with this, this is what René's fire kick is now like. The aura now extends to his knee.

>>428110
Mirages are literally made out of nothing but hotter and colder air fucking with light. Worth a try.

>>428095
Fire breath seems rather point blank aoe. I was hoping for something that doesn't require the group he wants to fry to all charge him at once.

A flight spell sounds awesome. Using jets of flame from the hands/feet. Maybe only useful for short distances at this point, closer to fire "jumping" than flight.

>>428110

oooh mama <3

I agree with the whole flame jet thing. if flying is beyond our skills, it'd at least let us dash. which we can use to dodge or punch people really hard.

>>428120
He could just charge them all at once.

>>428169
Well, as far as flying goes we could certainly power a hot air balloon. We may or may not have the requisite ability now, but a hang glider would be theoretically viable for a sufficiently potent fire mage to use and grant lift through creation of updrafts.
Flame bursts as explosive propulsion seems like it would require a fuckton of power though, fire itself doesn't exactly tend to create large amounts if directional force much, and even with some sort of chambered boot type thing to direct the force in the right directions for flight, the amount of power needed to lift something as heavy as a person would be pretty damn high.

>>428300
A hang glider would actually require relatively little power, assuming he had a hill to lift it off of; we've already seen him create more than enough thermal energy, and hell, there's hot air coming off the ground in the daytime already. We should definitely look into that as a long-distance travel option. Rocketboots would still be useful for getting around obstacles, launching the hang glider, etc. though

René 2012/07/02(Mon)21:18 No. 428457 ID: 09e5bf
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Demonstrated here is René's Flame Breath.

René's Fireball can now explode with a 5 ft radius.

Possible Spells:
Heat haze - Would let René make things look blurry when seen through a spot of his choosing. Range of 20 ft.

Pillar of Fire - Would Let René create a pillar of fire from 10 feet away. The pillar is up to 8 feet tall, and 3 feet across.

Fire Trap - Would let René leave a trap that would activate when people step on it, Basically a pillar of Fire that René sets and leaves alone.

Fire Jump - Would let René jump higher by creating an explosion to propel him.

So which spells will René learn?

Fire Trap and Fire Jump

>>428457
Fuck yeah, rocket jumping.